Babcock & Brown set to buy Eircom ?whats the future will bring

[flyingpinkelephants]

Babcock & Brown set to buy Eircom ?whats the future will bring

If the sale goes through We have the usual thre possibilties good middle and bad

Hopefully the statement that carving up Eircom is no longer a viable option is a good indicator that this isnt another feeding freenzy on the decaying carcass of Eircom but the arrival of a serious long term investor that will turn around the company and rejuvinate it back to a 21 century Telcom player and supply the essensial and usefull Telcom services at resonable prices and resonable Quality to all the country

A decent mission statement will be a help instead of the rudderless drifting seen prior to this

Hopefully we can look forward to recieving the same service what the French have some 20 megabits broadband at a reasonable price in 90% of Ireland by 2010 and 100% coverage at some 4megs so we can all have real time vidio and films and cable services and therefore find a resulting surge in demand for broadband as relevant to the majorities needs and requirement to name but a few of the sevices desperalty needed ASAP

Others will be hoping for rapid expansions in cellular and mobile solutions for buisness needs in terms of voice and broadband services

Yes there is vast opertunaties for a good company to make good profits supply a good service at a reasonable price and give Ireland a win win for all conserned

So for me and many of the slowband users costomers at the mercy of the Telcoms a belivebale trully attainable a bit adventurous mission statement is more important than a simplex cheapest cruddy no investmestment slow band service asset stripping no future for all concerned and are the measures that I am to consider if I were to consider to take out any Eircom products

Flyingpinkelephants ...........wishing the the potensialy soon to be new owners of Eircom a succefull future if they wish to be a serious long term Telcom

[blacknight]

I don't see how the takeover is going to affect dsl speeds....

[flyingpinkelephants]

DSL speeds are one thing getting any band slow or fast is another

unltimatly Eicom is the driving force in the industry and if it choses as it has done for the last few years to treat wannbe broadbanders with contempt and what you live in stickville and you want broad band go... attidude and so the competitors only have to be a tad better and get a slice of the cake
The last few years have seen the cake grow slowly if at all and the division of that cake into peices in the feeding frenzy of the carcass of Eicom as privatization came about

The main driving force or force major of the TELECOMS can dictate the speeds and the growth in that cake and increase the abilty of the country as a whole to become better for work and living standards similar to road network or ESB etc
We in the last few years have been lumbered with a dead duck Eicom and the new takeover could hardly be worse than what existed before it short of the sale dosnt happen

A very long term Telecom player will probably replace the copper network with fibe optics to give speeds of 10 megs to 20 megs easy peasy for fibre optics and a short term assest stripper will ride the rotten copper wire network with 1 meg to 4 meg speeds on a good day with no rain etc

we wait and hope and pray as lots of jobs now and in Irelands future are riding on this sale similar to if they sold ESB

Flyingpinkelephants

[Gordy]

From what I have heard so far, they are primarily interested in the Meteor mobile business and have no plan in place for the fixed line business. They seem to have a suck it and see approach. Either that or they are playing their cards very close to their chest.

At the end of the day they are money men lookin' to make a buck, seems like mobile is the bigger money spinner these days, so I wouldn't hold your breath on us catching up on European broadband service just yet!

[blacknight]

If the likes of Smart rollout more generous packages and Eircom feel the pinch then they will probably follow suit.. I can't see any reason for them to do so otherwise

[flyingpinkelephants]

Vodophone 30 million losses in UK are a reminder that Telcoms can lose money also so Telcoms isnt for the faint hearted and is no sure bet and betting on Meteor mobile phones as a forever cash cow might be a mistake history shows the rapid changes wiped out the stuck in the muds telegraph companies of past era's

The change from telegraph with individual operators charging an arm and a leg for two sentence telegram through Voip and skyping all for hours at extremly low prices every day shows the Telcoms are in for turbulant future and bunkering down with the dog in the manger methods we have seen so far will lead to the total demise of Eicom from the planet unless somebody with a ability to actualy have vision foresight and suitable entepernuaral skills comes forth to run Eircom

As to if the way to solve the tecknical problems is to go totaly or partially fibre optics or wireless or some mix of these solutions and any newwer solutuions in the pipe line is for the Telcoms to figure out but as Eircom is still the dominant player it has abilty to set the pace for the next few years means that this can impact the total economy in that a broadband less and Telcom infrastructureless country could lose its economic edge and lose its overall wealth rapidly as the economic players investors exit stage left if the other countries supply much more better Telcoms services

Smart show some signs of become Eircoms replacement if Eircom opts to continue in its drifting rudderless policy seeing as BT with its nose a bit bloodied seems to have decided to exit the market for better picking in India or elsewhere

I personaly dont give a rats monkeys what the natonality or other tripe that goes with Babcock & Brown even having to listen to Aussie twang whatever it takes to see the Telcoms situation go from its present dark ages backward bordering on rug rats smoke signals and Tom Tom drums communications to a decent communications as at best the communications probably are less than 1% of the overall economy but with a bad communications we could lose half the economy overnight so its vital that either Eircom or Smart or BT or any other player would do the job correctly

Eircom seems the best placed but is standing on the edge of a cliff it has largly built with the last few years inefectual managment style and serious lack of vision or any misssion policy other than sell Eircom sell Eircom sell Eircom at the best price only logic

We might be lucky Babcock & Brown are set to the job correctly but we might not so time will tell but futher continued aimlesss drifting risks the entire economy if the Smarts and or BT and or similar competitors cant fill the VOID and for me the chances that BT a company thats has a even worse drifting policy in the UK could do the job here in Ireland properly dosnt seem likely to me

Flyingpinkelephants

[Gordy]

Originally Posted by blacknight

If the likes of Smart rollout more generous packages and Eircom feel the pinch then they will probably follow suit.. I can't see any reason for them to do so otherwise

How much more generous do Smart have to be, to make you happy BN! lol

The fastest "Home" service Eircom do is 2meg and that will cost you €39.99 a month + line rental of €24.18 totalling €64.17

If you want a 3meg connection from Eircom a "business" package will cost you €54.45 + €24.18 totalling €78.63

Smart will give you a 3meg package with better contention for €35 a month.

The only problem with Smart broadband is the "snails pace" rollout of the service.

That and the fact that when you ring to enquire when it will be available in your exchange the best answer you get is "it's in our build program for 2006"

Given that I have been hearing that for nearly 12 months now, I am really hoping they will be live here soon!

[flyingpinkelephants]

Smart and credit where credit is due has managed to outmanover Eircoms blocking DOG IN A MANGER methods which seem to have sent BT packing off to more sunny climes and on a small scale they seem to offer a sevice indepedent of the Eircom stranglehold and were probably instrumental in the present fire sale of Eircom as the encrumberant managment saw less easy picking and decided to exit with fat cheques to Carabeen beeches

But Smart is tiny compared to Eircom so its not realistic to expect them to replace Eircom outright in a few months but if givin no real opposition by Eircom that might be attainable in a decade by Smart or some other competitor by a steady proccess of erosion and attrition against Eircom

The other senario is Eircom enters the Telcom buisness in the more correct manner and expands the size of the Telecoms cake
Ok its not inconsevable that Eircoms position where it gets some 70% of todays market cake might be reduced to 55% but that should be in a market that has quadrupled or more in size rather than a repeat of this slow drawn out death of Eircom where its sold asset stripped sold asset stripped ...and the smaller players have to to try with more meagre resourses to try to set the pace in a static or barely growing telcoms cake

The later option risks to impact severly on the total health of the Irish economy and is not an option any realy concerned citizen can quitely stand by idly and not have reason to comment on or even consider lobbying to make it a voting isssue in a election similar to if ESB or Irish airports infrastructure were sold off



Flyingpinkelephants

[vlf126]

It isnt hard to find a sevice provider thats better on prices than Eircom with faster connection speeds also with better contention ratios...when you do change internet service providers thats when problems might start...the problem i had is the price Eircom was charging at the time for an ISDN connection as there was no broadband in my area at the time, so i went looking for a better deal that i found with Smart.. then another problem started...phone line got really bad that resulted in little or no connection to the internet let alone phone calls..so i rang smart telecom and they said they would fix the problem..this went on for weeks ,now no fault of smart i then learned that smart couldnt fix the phone line as it was still an eircom line so only they could fix the problem ..still being billed for a non existant line because nobody seemed to know what was going on and who was to fix the fault i had no choice but to change back to eircom and guess what.. PROBLEM SORTED... within 2 days 2eircom vans arrived sorted the problem in the exchange and left.. still left with a big bill for a service that i never got i then got the phone line taken away went with a little known wireless provider at the time named Torque internet and havent looked back since.. so long as you dont use P2P networks they are great as they have them blocked..

[flyingpinkelephants]

Apearantly they have opted to make a gombeen in charge ex teleco BT

so Its called nailing your colours to the mast

BT is an outfit that that also tries to keep the BB in the UK muddling along with clapped out copper network and porkies about full 100% Bb sevice to the sticks are legend go look on UK formums like http://btsuck.org/
(tempoarly out of action because bt users bombes the site with how bad the BT was the site colapsed)
and others from misfotunate who live in stickvilles in the UK

A one off example of one satified Eicom costomer is neither here nor there
France and Swedish pay 20 to40 euros per month and even in stickville get minium service of 10megbytes and 100% coverage and many in cities suburbs towns get 20 or 100mg servise for 20 to 40 euro per month

WHY cause thay gutted the copper wire and binned it and made a proper telecoms

So Ireland and large parts of the Uk are in the copper age and most Europe is in the LAZER age but we pay more for the bad service from all providers

Its not eircom versus smart versus BT

Its we are getting systamaticaly having our faces ripped off and all the service provider MD still go to the carrabeen for thier holidays and laugh all the way to the offshore banks about how stupid the IRISH areSUCKERS

so wake up and get get a Swedish or French telecom into ireland if you want BB
but dont grasp onto straws like Eicom and Bt who have a cosy shop together
or find a way to ensure the network will be made 100% non copper preferably fibre optics or some such newwer better solutions that might exist that will ensure Irish to can have 10mbytes in stickville ballymagassshhh and 100mbytes in main cities for prices less than 40euro per month

If you do not think the new Eircom will do this and any other players are incappable to remove this blockage then a\civly campain to sort them out

Remember when us Irish joes surf on the internet high way we do it on a skatebord speeds of of 1 megabytemayby 3 megabytes for more money than the french or sweds do as they whizz past us their citons and volvos at breakneck 20 megabytes or 100 megabytes and they often paid lessles than us

But the realy big issue will be in a few years time when the new generation of Irish kids arrive to online work interviews with thier skateboards

Hmm if we give you a job online work you will be required to move a broadband enabled part of the world like poland france sweden as we require minimum specs of 20 megabytes

Flyingpinkelephants