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Old 24th May 2005, 04:17 PM
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Do Smart Broadband have download or upload limits?
There is no limits on the amount of data that can be downloaded or uploaded however users whose usage is deemed excessive on a regular basis will be contacted and restrictions will be used if the activity persists

The above is taken from Smart's FAQ.
It seems to say 'there are no download limits, but if you download too much (whatever that is) we reserve the right to annoy you'.

I've spoken to a couple of their people on the phone and they all say different things. How anybody could buy into this is beyond me.
Also note the 'is no limits'. Grammar not the best either.

I'm not employed by any telecommunications group. I wanted to believe the Smart dream as it's a little cheaper than my current BT deal, but really...
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Old 24th May 2005, 05:12 PM
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Niall,

I think it boils down to something like this;

In order to bill you for "excessive" downloads they need some flavour of systems management technology in place - this technology would essentially monitor download amounts and be able to 'map' it to a particular user account. The technology would involve some hardware, software and people to manage it - ultimately this is a cost to their operation.
Most providers would retrofit this kind of technology as the user base increases, as it can be quite costly to implement up front with no guarantee that they will get any discernible benefit in the early days.
Therefore when the amount of signed up users is relatively low you have little pressure on the infrastructure and people can download at will, when more users sign up the demands on the infrastructure increase and the provider may decide that it's time to start 'metering' usage in order to regulate usage and of course charge you for the privelege!!

On the brighter side I've had a 16GB cap for sometime now and would be a 'heavy' user - business use every day - and have never come anywhere near the limit or getting charged.

Good luck, hope the Smart Telecom service turns out as good as it sounds
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Old 24th May 2005, 06:27 PM
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Thanks for the explanation DooNET. That sounds like an unknown cap somewhere down the road. I've got 24gbs with BT now and I think I'm gonna stick with it. The devil you know!
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Old 8th June 2005, 12:58 AM
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It wouldn't make any sense for Smart Telecom to do what you just said because some people are heavy users and download limit and Smart telecom can't just go around telling people no, you can't do this.

From what I heard they will be offering at a basic level a 2mbps downstream, 128kbps upstream with a 16GB download limit. This is the same as Eircom/UTV/Esat BT's second level offer but it is due to come in at a lower cost.

I'm not sure what the status on their roll out of their broadband is but they haven't released Broadband for Cork, Limerick and Galway yet and they are due to before the end of the month. My guess is that it will be released a month or two late.
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Old 8th June 2005, 09:07 AM
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I gather that the initial takeup has been a lot higher than they expected, so there may be delays in rolling out the service in some areas.
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Old 8th June 2005, 08:40 PM
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But in the major cities they should roll it out on time
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Old 14th June 2005, 03:59 PM
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Hi,

Just a warning to beware of what smart telecom tell you. A sales rep contacted me, i live in the midlands, and told me all about the braodband offer. I already had IOL Broadband but this seemed much better value. He explained you get free line rental as long as you stay a smart customer but that broadband wouldnt be available for about 4 months. He told me the 1st 100,000 only get the free line rental and told me to go to the smart website and register my interest and i would recieve a confirmation email. He said as long as you have this email this is proof that you are one of the 100,000 that will get free rental.

I taught great told my sister and gave the same sales rep her number. He contacted her and she signed up aswell.

Surprise surprise, we both got our first bills with a line rental charge and when we contacted Smart we were both told that free line rental is only for the first 100,000 customers that actually recieve boradband and because the Midlands area broadband would not be in place for at least 6 months (rep said 4 at the most) that the 100,000 free line rentals would most likely be already be giving out. We complained and they gave there excuses and we both cancelled Smart Telecom immediately because they blatantly tricked us into signing up.

After cancelling we recieved a 2nd bill and now a 3rd bill and my sister has recieved a 2nd bill. We rang them and told them we cancelled almost immediately after signing up and we were refusing to pay the bill. They told us that were going to have to blacklist our names if we refused to pay the bills even though they tricked us into signing up and continue to send us bills after we have cancelled. There trying to bully us into staying with them.

Whenever we ask to be put through to a supervisor or manager they put us through to a voicemail which has yet to get a response. I understand that the problem origionated from the sales rep's promises but Smart have not investigated it nor will they cancel the account. Its no way to do business.

Here is a quote from the consumers association of Ireland
"Know your rights
Under the Sale of Goods and Supply of Services Act 1980, anything you buy from a retailer must be:

of merchantable quality
fit for its normal purpose, and reasonably durable
as described, whether the description is part of the advertising or wrapping, on a label, or something said by the salesperson.
When you buy goods from a retailer, you make a contract with him. He agrees to provide certain goods to you for a certain price. If your purchase turns out to be faulty, the retailer, not the manufacturer, is responsible to you and must sort out your complaint. You are entitled to a refund, a replacement or a repair.
You do not have to take a credit note if your complaint is covered by the Sale of Goods Act. You can insist on a refund, a replacement or a repair.

If you have a genuine complaint about faulty goods, you can ignore shop notices such as 'No Refunds' or 'No Exchanges'. Such notices cannot take away any of your statutory rights under the Sale of Goods Act see Retailers' responses.

You have no rights under the Sale of Goods Act if you simply change your mind about wanting the goods. You also have no rights if faults are due to misuse of the product after purchase, or if faults should have been obvious or were pointed out at the time of purchase."

The website can be viewed here http://www.consumerassociation.ie/r...knowrights.html

Obviously Smart Telecom have there own laws which are governed by Money.

Hope this helps someone making a decision on who to choose but i doubt it will change the way Smart does business.

Thanks
Paul
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Well thats interesting
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Has anyone heard of Magnet Networks, they claim to provide a 2m uncontended service.
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Old 28th June 2005, 01:59 PM
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Magnet are currently rolling out their service. From what I've heard they are offering it on a number of new housing estates and to the general populace, though I don't have any details at present
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Old 28th July 2005, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Niall
It seems to say 'there are no download limits, but if you download too much (whatever that is) we reserve the right to annoy you'.

I've spoken to a couple of their people on the phone and they all say different things. How anybody could buy into this is beyond me.
Also note the 'is no limits'. Grammar not the best either.
I think this is just to stop people hammering the life out their connection 24/7. At this early stage though, I don't think they could care less about how much you use as there are so little on each exchange. I downloaded 3G alone today, doubt they'll come after me! :lol:
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Old 28th July 2005, 07:29 PM
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I think this is just to stop people hammering the life out their connection 24/7. At this early stage though, I don't think they could care less about how much you use as there are so little on each exchange. I downloaded 3G alone today, doubt they'll come after me! :lol:
Maybe so, but they shouldn't use ambiguous terminology.

Either there is a limit or there isn't.
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Old 28th July 2005, 07:31 PM
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Either there is a limit or there isn't.
Yeah but it's the smart* way

*Smart way = half assed, don't tell customers anything
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Old 28th July 2005, 07:35 PM
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Either there is a limit or there isn't.
Yeah but it's the smart* way

*Smart way = half assed, don't tell customers anything
Nice definition
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Old 18th August 2005, 01:04 AM
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Well obviously "fair usage" isn't too scabby - 50GB so far this month and no sign of anyone telling me to tone down. I was told that one particular person has used 300GB download alone in one month. I don't think Smart really care - it costs them feck all to buy their bandwidth in bulk.
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Old 18th August 2005, 01:37 AM
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I'd still be in favour of a concrete answer on the limit
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Old 18th August 2005, 01:48 PM
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Quote:
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I'd still be in favour of a concrete answer on the limit
Yeah I agree they should state clearly, but if I can get away with 50GB I'm happy enough because the chances are if they brought in a concrete limit it would most likel be around the 20GB per month mark
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Old 23rd February 2006, 12:33 AM
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i am currently using magnet networks albeit with some problems.i signed up for triple play which is telephone,broadband and digital tv in two rooms.so far i have only one tv connected and the phone line is crap,problems such as feedback,echoing,dropped lines etc.the broadband is excellent,but i had no problems with eircom apart from their prices.i am still waiting for magnet to improve this service and would appreciate any other comments,especially in the lucan area?
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Old 23rd February 2006, 03:03 PM
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Hi

Just a word of warning about smart. Know a few people from work who signed up to smart. One lad was waiting 7 months to get signed up, another over a year

Hope it's different for you!
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just a word of warning on smart! if you move house during your contract and your new abode cant be connected to them they will expect you to pay for your old connection for the rest of the year!! they have some strange wording in their contract though that basically says that if either party lies that the contract can be terminated
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